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[1inStripes]

He had a great arm as a young guy, just look at the putouts

Putouts are very different than assists. He averaged less than 8 assists a year.

Also as a testament to his arm......Sid Bream.

[Biggin]

We are talking about getting ejected from a baseball game and going to jail. Are those the same?

Absolutely not.

Baseball =/= life.

Using real world laws and equating them to baseball rules is not relevant at all. That has nothing to do with my point whatsoever.

My point is that people have cheated in baseball for hundreds of years. Its not a new thing, trying to gain an unfair advantage over the other team. So why is it only an issue now with steroids? Perry is a HOFer, rightfully so.

But so is Bonds.

And who's to say that doctoring a baseball did not affect Perry's stats like roids did Bonds? We have no evidence or metric to determine that, but in terms of relevance in the game and how it truly effects performance, we can never know what Bonds could have done without roids or Perry without doctoring balls or Mantle without using speed and amphetamines.

Doctoring balls was a normal occurrence back then, but so was steroid usage in this era. If 75% of the players are using, then why is Bonds' numbers so unbelievable? Theres no doubts there were tons of pitchers juicing, it was a sign of the times. If a juiced hitter is jacking HRs on a juiced pitcher, why are his stats thrown out? He was hitting off a cheater, a guy who was using the same PEDs, therefore giving him no unfair advantage.

[Biggin]

Putouts are very different than assists. He averaged less than 8 assists a year.

Also as a testament to his arm......Sid Bream.

I said as a young guy, Bonds had a very good arm, which is 100% true. No disputing that.

This year's NL LF leader, Matt Holliday, only had 8 assists.
Barry Bonds led the NL LFs in assists in 1989 (14), 1990 (14), 1991 (13), 1994 (10), and 1995 (12).
During his years in Pitt, Bonds averaged 11 assists per year as a LF.

Take out the last three years, Bonds averaged almost 10 assists per year, a very high number for a LF. One of the better throwing LFs of all time TBH.

Bonds had one of the best OF arms in the game in his younger years, and the stats back that up.
Even for his career as a whole, with the 8 assists per year as you pointed out, is a very good number and one of the better numbers of all time in terms of LF assists.
If 10, 11, 8, 9, are all league leaders or top 5, having a career average of 8 is pretty darn good.

1987 NL 10 (2nd)
1989 NL 14 (1st)
1990 NL 14 (1st)
1991 NL 13 (1st)
1994 NL 10 (1st)
1995 NL 12 (1st)
1996 NL 10 (2nd)
1997 NL 10 (3rd)
2000 NL 8 (2nd)
2001 NL 9 (3rd)
2004 NL 11 (1st)
Career 160 (2nd)

Bonds had a great arm

[pvfan]

Putouts mean using your legs and catching a fly ball. How does this have anything to do with somebody's arm? I'm glad somebody else sees the flaws in all of this non-sense.

[Biggin]

We are talking about assists, which are a pretty good representation of a players arm. And Bonds, at his position, has assist stats as good as anybody. It only goes back to 1957, but its a good representation of one's arm strength.

I just posted what all Bonds was highly ranked in, Stripes asked about it.

[pvfan]

[1inStripes]

Bonds was about half Breams age when Bream went 2nd to home on him to win the pennant.


Do you consider Matt Holliday a great defender? I dont.

[pvfan]

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[1inStripes]

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[1inStripes]

Johnny Damon avg is 5 assists a year and he may have the worst arm in baseball history. Assists in some cases have as much to do with people wanting to take chances because of your arm, more than what a great arm you had in throwing people out at the plate.